Sunday, October 17, 2021

Jehovah's Witness founder Charles Russell , OCCULTIST? (Response)

I am responding to a video on youtube entitled "Jehovah's Witness founder Charles Russell, OCCULTIST?" (posted on the channel "Happily Surviving the Stasi.," that mistakes our blog site as being a "Jehovah's Witnesses defense site." 

The video I am responding to is at:

I am the owner of the Restoration Light sites which are mentioned in the video. My sites are not designed to support the Jehovah's Witnesses. If one takes the time to actually read and comprehend what is being said, one would know that

Evidently, all my comments are being removed as soon as I post them, so I am presenting the comments here and I may later present an edited version of this in a video on Youtube.

I am the owner of the Restoration Light sites which are mentioned in the video. My sites are not designed to support the Jehovah's Witnesses. If one takes the time to actually read and comprehend what is being said, one would know that.

Charles Taze Russell was never a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses. There was no Jehovah's Witnesses "organization" while Russell alive. The earliest "Jehovah's Witnesses" did not exist until after Russell died. On my "Examining the Facts" site, see the links to some of my related research on the resource page "Russell and the JWs."

Charles Taze Russell did not believe in such an organization that Rutherford created after Russell died. On my "Examining the Facts" site, I have links to some of my related research on the "Authority and Organization" resource page.

Charles Taze Russell did not believe in the kind of message that the Jehovah's Witnesses present. 

Charles Taze Russell was definitely not the founder of that in which he did not believe, and which he preached against.

Russell never claimed to be the "Laodicean Messenger." Russell's original gravestone was in keeping with his stated wishes. It was rather plain, and did not have "Laodicean Messenger" inscribed on it. Rutherford, however, had the original gravestone removed, and had it replaced with the one that still exists there to this day. 

There is no evidence in anything Russell wrote that indicates that he had any desire for a pyramid monument to be constructed in the Rosemont Cemetery. It was Rutherford, not Russell, who authorized the construction of that monument. The stated purpose was, not to honor Russell, but the Watch Tower Society. For links to some of my related research and that of others also, on my "Examining the Facts" site, see the resource page "Russell's Gravestone."

The speaker is very hard for me understand, but that may be because I have hearing problems. At any rate, I could not understand what was said about in the video, but did hear what sounded like "illuminati Mr. Russell." I am not sure what was said before. Russell, of course, had nothing at all to do with any organization called the "Illuminati," nor does Rutherford's pyramid monument have anything to do with such.

Charles Taze Russell never claimed to not believe in the cross. Rutherford evidently wanted his "Jehonadab" followers to not use the cross and crown symbol, thus he adopted the idea that Jesus did not die on a cross, and that the "cross" was a pagan symbol. There is, however, actually nothing wrong with Russell's usage of the Biblical cross and crown imagery. On my Russell site, one can find links to some of related research on the "Cross and Crown" resource page

I could not understand exactly what was said, but did catch "end of the world, "dates," and "Armageddon." Russell's was not predicting the end of the world for 1914 (or any other date). His view of "Armageddon" was totally different from that of the Jehovah's Witnesses. From 1904 onward, Russell was expecting the "time of trouble" to begin in 1914. He died in 1916, still with the belief that the time of trouble had begun in 1914. I also believe that the time of trouble did begin in 1914, and that it may last for several more decades before the present heavens and earth pass away. On my site mentioned before, one can find more of my research related Russell, 1914 and many of the false claims being made about Russell and 1914.

I am not sure what was said about hell, but I believe that Brother Russell was basically correct about what the Bible hell is, although I do not agree with every detail of his application of various scriptures. See the resource page, "Hell, Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, Lake of Fire" on my website mentioned.

Again, something is being said about speakers of Hebrew and Greek today. I assume that this is thought to be speakers of the Hebrew and Greek of the Bible? If so, I am not sure what the point is. Nevertheless, no one on earth today actually speaks the Biblical Hebrew or the Biblical Greek. No one on earth today knows for a certainty what either language sounded like. What we have are various theories by which some have given various sounds to ancient Hebrew and Koine Greek, and thus some may be able speak the Biblical Hebrew using sounds based on those theories. There is dispute, however, among the scholars as to the sounds attributed especially to ancient Hebrew and to various Koine Greek characters. 

It appears that Rutherford's pyramid monument is being described as a "very strange grave." Rutherford's pyramid is not a grave, nor tomb, nor a grave marker, etc. No one was buried in or under that pyramid monument. I do not consider the monument strange. I believe everything on or about that monument was in harmony with the Bible, except that it was a rather extreme extravagance which surely cost a lot of money to construct. The monument, however, was often vandalized and the Watch Tower Society often paid for repairs to the monument until just recently. The monument was again vandalized and it thus presented an danger to all who came to see it. Upon considering costs to repair the monument, the WTS decided it would be cheaper to remove it. However, there was definitely no one buried in or under that monument. There was nothing in or on that monument, however, that is has anything to do with what is called often called "the occult." The Biblical cross and crown is not of the occult, not unless you also believe that the Bible itself is of "the occult." There is no cross, however, on Russell's gravestone. The pyramid is not Russell's grave. That pyramid was constructed several years after Russell died, and it was NOT constructed over Russell's grave. -- See my resource page "Great Pyramid" on the website already mentioned.

No court ever accused Brother Russell of perjury. J. J. Ross doctored the court record to make it appear that he lied in court, but the actual court records shows differently. My post on "Ross' Perjury Accusations" is shown but, while I could not understand all that was being said, as best as I could determine, what is stated in that post was not actually examined, but simply scanned to find something to criticize. I recommend that one actually read and comprehend what is being said.

It is totally silly to think that there is a certain way to speak call a Christian "brother" that would mean that such has anything to do with the Masons. I, for one, haven't heard Masons call each other "brother." Russell, of course, was definitely not a member of, or in support of the Freemasons. Anyone truly familiar with his life time of work would know this. Again, I have a resource page with links to my related research: "Russell and the Freemasons."

As best as I could determine, Rutherford's pyramid monument is referred to in the video as Russell's gravestone. Rutherford's pyramid monument is not Russell's gravestone.

Again, I cannot understand what is being said about my "Russell and the True Church" resource page. Sadly, none of the links were clicked on to actually examine the facts of what Russell taught about "the true church." His own words show what and why he believed by scripture. The only church Russell believed in was that which Jesus created through his apostles. 

Russell did not at all create his own Bible.

Russell, however, did reject the doctrine of man and endeavored to simply stay by the Bible itself. He did not create "his own doctrines." Russell, however, was NOT dogmatic about all of his applications of scriptures. Unlike the JW leadership, Russell assumed no authority over fellow believers. Bible Students held various views on various scriptures. The same is still true with Bible Students today. 

Russell, unlike the Jehovah's Witnesses, was definitely not sectarian. He did not preach an organization, a sect, or any kind of message that says, "join us, or you will be eternally doomed." Russell did not teach the kind of shunning practiced by the Jehovah's Witnesses. Nevertheless, Russell did not limit the true church to any sect, denomination, etc.

I could not understand what was said about the Mormons, but Russell, of course, did not believe in the Mormon church. Unlike Joseph Smith, Russell did not claim to be a divinely-inspired prophet. The prophecies that Russell believed in were those of the Bible and he believed that those prophecies are correct even if his conclusions about those prophecies may be in error.

At about 10:25, the sound cut off, so I am not sure what was being said.

By Ronald R. Day, Sr.

I have edited the above and presented it as a video which may be found at:

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